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Reviewer: Kukia Signed starstarstarstarstar [Report This]
Date: 08/05/2017 4:01 AM Title: Chapter 1

Wonderful story. I love it when Star Trek and Wonder Woman are mixed. I also enjoyed the fact that you had Spock Prime recommned a woman hero for Kirk to emulate. 

 

Author's Response:

Thank you!  I'm really glad that you enjoyed the story.  Although TOS Kirk is a very masculine man in many ways, he also has some traits and values that were considered feminine in 1966, when TOS was made.  So I wanted to give AOS Kirk a female role model, one who can fight like hell when she has to but who would rather make peace.

Reviewer: burning_spirit Signed [Report This]
Date: 06/28/2017 11:57 PM Title: Chapter 1

Oh.  Man.  You have no idea how much I love everything about this!!!  As a longtime Kirk girl, I've developed an automatic rebuttal to people making "Kirk is a misogynistic sex addict" jokes, and it begins with, "Have you actually *watched* the original series?"  (Surprise, the answer is usually no. e__e)  Your excerpt is, like, everything I've never been able to adequately express regarding Kirk's sexuality, thank you!!!!  I'm going to have to commit all that to memory so I can sound more coherent and less ragey the next time someone dares to bash Kirk in my presence.  (Heh, I say that as if it's a daily occurrence or something.  But Kirk is so widely misunderstood even within Trek circles that finding anyone who actually "gets" him feels like finding a long-lost sibling or something!  *insert melodramatic "where have you been all my life" fawning here*)

These things certainly *do* make a fan feel less alone, and I greatly appreciate your writing as well as your response--I have a few close Trek-obsessed friends, but they're fairly new to the franchise and/or TOS in particular, so it's nice to connect with other TOS'ers for more in-depth discussions of the characters (not to discount the fun I've had introducing my pals to Kirk and Spock and McCoy and the beauty/depth/pure bliss that is TOS, but hey).  I definitely commiserate on getting irritated/defensive when any of the three leads are talked about or written poorly by fans (especially since fans of the show[s] should know better) (and I'm sure this is preaching to the choir but *holy crap* there are a *ton* of badly written Spocks out there, which I actually find even more horrible and inexcusable than a badly written Kirk, but I digress)...  I often feel like I'm probably making a bigger deal out of the particulars than I should, but it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one devoting serious thought and energy to these things!  Besides which, if Spock, Bones, and Kirk aren't worth that level of emotional investment, who in the world *is*?? ;-)

Sounds like you and your spouse are both very wise indeed... I too would subsist entirely on Star Trek if it were physiologically possible, but then again, apparently food and sleep are also sort of important! X-D

Reviewer: burning_spirit Signed starstarstarstarstar [Report This]
Date: 06/28/2017 8:45 AM Title: Chapter 1

I'm so excited that someone else felt that moral/ethical connection to TOS Starfleet that I did after seeing WW!  Figured it was just my own desperately grasping at any excuse to see TOS influences in anything and everything... :-)  Also, I think we're kindred spirits as far as popular misconceptions about Kirk are concerned; I get all sorts of bothered when people discuss or portray him as hothead, womanizer, etc.  Refreshing fic, thank you for sharing it!



Author's Response:

I'm so glad that you felt the same WW/TOS connection that I did; it makes a person feel less alone. :-)  Of course, it was easy for me to feel that connection because TOS is never far from my mind; my spouse teases me that I'd rather talk about Star Trek than eat. :-)

I don't know if you've seen my essay "Mistakes to Avoid When Writing TOS"on AO3, but #6 on the list of mistakes to avoid is portraying Kirk as a man who's totally driven by his sexuality. Here's an excerpt from that essay:

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We often see Kirk kissing some woman he just met five minutes ago, which proves that he's a total sex maniac, right? Um, no. :-)

Kirk does appreciate women, but most of Kirk's seductions are intended to accomplish a mission-related goal, such as to distract the woman, to secure her help, to gain more information about the situation, to stall for time, and so on. For example, he kisses Andrea in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" to try to confuse her and to gain her loyalty. He flirts with Miri in the episode of the same name in order to soothe her fears and to get her on their side. He kisses Sylvia in "Catspaw" to try to get information out of her. He kisses Marlena in "Mirror, Mirror" partly to maintain his cover and partly to gain her as an ally. Kelinda in "By Any Other Name," Shahana in "Gamesters of Triskelion" ... the list of women Kirk seduces in order to further non-sexual ends goes on and on. It's clear that Kirk's sexuality is a weapon as potent as his phaser. ;-) But using his charisma for instrumental purposes is very different from being totally driven by his sexuality.

And much of the time, Kirk doesn't even have a choice. Sylvia didn't him much choice. Deela in "Wink of an Eye" gave him NO choice, and Helen Noel was forced on him by Dr. Adams in "Dagger of the Mind." Nona used a drug to seduce Kirk against his will in "A Private Little War," and Elaan used her magic tears to seduce him against his will in "Elaan of Troyius."  Sargon and Thalassa use the bodies of Kirk and Ann Mulhall to make out in "Return to Tomorrow," but Kirk isn't kissing anybody.

The number of women Kirk kisses both willingly and for non-mission-related goals is actually very small: 

In Season 1, there's Areel Shaw in "Court Martial," Ruth in "Shore Leave," and Edith Keeler in "The City on the Edge of Forever."  (I'm excluding Janice Rand in "Enemy Within" because that was Evil Kirk, and Kirk makes it clear in "The Naked Time" that the whole Kirk can't or won't get involved with his yeoman.)   Andrea, Helen Noel, Miri, and Lenore Karidian were all mission-related.

In Season 2, there are NO women that Kirk kisses willingly for non-mission-related ends.  Sylvia, Marlena, Shahana, and Kelinda are ALL mission-related, and Nona gave him a date-rape drug to make him kiss her against his will.  (Janet Wallace pursues Kirk in "The Deadly Years," but he fends her off.)

In Season 3, there's Miramanee in "The Paradise Syndrome" (though since Kirk had amnesia then, it's not clear how much this should count), and there's Rayna in "Requiem for Methuselah."  He does try to make time with Miranda Jones in "Is There in Truth No Beauty," but she wasn't having any. :-)  Elaan, Deela, Marta, and Odona were all mission-related, and Vanna and Janice Lester were attackers.

So that's ... five women in three years — one of which was an amusement-park android and one of which Kirk got involved with when he'd lost his memory — which I think isn't actually all that much for a thirty-four-year-old man.  But then, starship captains are very busy folks. ;-)

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So yeah, even though my favorite TOS character is actually Spock, I have great respect for Kirk as well, and it burns me up when he's portrayed as a man with more lust and luck than ethics or sense, because that's so NOT who he is.

 

Reviewer: HeronS Signed starstarstarstarstar [Report This]
Date: 06/26/2017 7:56 PM Title: Chapter 1

I loved the Wonder Woman movie! And yes there sure are a lot of ethical overlap.



Author's Response:

Hey, welcome to the K/S archive!  There's a lot of cool stuff here that isn't posted anywhere else; make sure you check out the works of Jenna Sinclair, Carolyn Spencer, and J. S. Cavalcante.

I loved the Wonder Woman movie, too, and I was thrilled that there was nothing ironic or snarky or brooding or sarcastic about Diana Prince.  She sincerely and earnestly desired to do the right thing, and although not much ELSE about the WW movie reminded me of TOS, that did.  So I'm writing this story in spite of the fact that Chris Pine played both reboot Kirk and Steve Trevor, not because of it. :-)

I'm glad you enjoyed the WW movie, and thanks for leaving a comment on this story.  This isn't one of my better stories, but my fandom love overflowed, and this story came out. :-)

Oh, and I ran across this the other day, and I was thinking that this could be the Starfleet motto, not just the Amazon motto:

<a href="http://imgur.com/gGRjq5n"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/gGRjq5n.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

 

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